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Series 1 · Episode 4 · Premieres Fri 6 Nov 2026

Makenzie Darling: for profit, or for prophet?

Movement architect · Entheogenic minister · San Francisco

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At nine she walked dogs to pay for her own therapy. Her parents went from yacht clubs to welfare and died homeless. She helped build a five million person movement while being paid peanuts, and now teaches people to build movements: why nobody wants another community, devotion dressed as extraction, and designing for true belonging.

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Every conversation Series 1

01 · 16 OctHe went to the other sideDr Marcos Lago · Psychiatrist · São Paulo · 1h 53m

The brain as a radio. A hard materialist doctor goes in alone and finds someone waiting, then gets the mushroom made a church sacrament in Brazil.

02 · 23 OctThe tunnel of lightGuilherme Barcellos · Psychotherapist and shaman · Brazil · 3 parts · 1h 54m

500 kilos of the ayahuasca vine, four days with no food or water on a vision quest, spirits in the body and a near-death experience. The name of the show comes out live.

03 · 30 OctThe shaman's job is miraclesKevin B. Turner · Shamanism teacher, author · Asia · 1h 51m

At seven his friends stopped leaving their bodies at night. He didn't. Michael Harner's lineage, and a near-death experience that showed him he had only believed he was Kevin Turner.

04 · 6 NovFor profit, or for prophet?Makenzie Darling · Movement architect · San Francisco · 1h 54m

Alcoholic families and parents who died homeless, then money, purpose, sex and bodies. Cameron discloses more here than anywhere else.

05 · 13 NovThe mountain called her nameJeannie Javelosa · Soul destiny reader · Philippines · 1h 58m

Out of her body at sixteen, a voice in the Paris Metro calling her to the Philippines' sacred mountain, and the exorcisms she was taught there and turned down.

06 · 20 NovThe medicine never heals anybodyKane Lorhpipat · Chiropractor, former forest monk · Bangkok · 2h 13m

Kailash at 5,600 metres, out of Nepal two days before the flood. A street hypnotist turned Thai forest monk, and the night his body sang a song he had never heard.

07 · 27 NovMy secret is to not have anyChris Doria · Frequency DJ and producer · Melbourne · 2h 03m

Half a million followers gone on the eve of Tomorrowland, then a voice on the drive to the psychiatrist with one question to ask before taking the pills.

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